"#3 Panel 3: Ethical Considerations"
HealthrightsMA, Posted Oct 22, 2021 [filmed October 12, 2021]
https://rumble.com/vo3t2d-3-panel-3-ethical-considerations.html
TRANSCRIPT
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
- Brian Festa is a civil rights attorney and co-founder of the nonprofit organization We The Patriots USA.
https://wethepatriotsusa.org- "Rational responses to Pandemic Challenges" was a symposium hosted by Health Rights MA https://healthrightsma.org October 12, 2021
"We are an ever-growing committed group of people with a goal of reaffirming and protecting the rights of people of Massachusetts to make decisions about their own bodies through proactive health freedom legislation."— Source:
https://healthrightsma.org/about- Brian Festa's was a live Internet presentation. He addresses the camera directly.
21:53
BRIAN FESTA, ESQ.; I'm happy to be here. Thank you very much for inviting me to participate in this very important event. I think it's just very crucial the work that you're doing to share this information, have people come together. I'm hoping we have people in the audience listening either online or in person that are not, you know, already on our side, so to speak, that are not already convinced of the atrocities that are taking place, that Dr. Fleming just talked about,[1] and need some of this education. So I hope that this gets shared at the very least with the people who aren't here who may be in that camp. I hope this information is widely shared.
So I am a civil rights attorney, as was mentioned, I am the cofounder and vice president of We the Patriots USA. We are a charitable nonprofit organization, a national nonprofit organization, since we operate in all 50 states. And what we're trying to do is to push back against this tyranny, the kind of tyranny that Dr. Fleming was just talking about.
We've been doing that for quite some time actually, even before we formed this organization. My business partner Dawn Jolly and I were both involved in the medical freedom movement, you know, for as far as specifically vaccine mandates for several years, and in Dawn's case over 18 years now.[2] In my case probably about 5 years now. We both have personal stories of vaccine injury either for ourselves or related to our children. I have a very seriously vaccine injured child who was injured by the flu shot several years ago and that's what piqued my interest to get, to study this more, and see what's going on here, and that we've been lied to for so many years. So I think, you know, it's important to note that our perspective is a little bit different than a lot of people who are fighting these mandates today because we've been involved in medical freedom and individual rights activism for many, many years.
This organization, my organization, We the Patriots USA, is not a political activist organization. We are a nonprofit charitable organization, and we are primarily focused at the moment on litigation, litigation in response to the covid mandates, in particular the shot mandates. I hesitate to use the v word and I'm trying to avoid using the v word but it's hard even for me sometimes because it's so permeated in the mainstream media to be calling this a vaccine when in fact it is not actually, does not fit the scientific definition, medical definition of a vaccination.
But I'm not here to talk about science. What we're primarily focused on is religious liberty. Because this is a religious liberty issue, and we feel that our greatest successes in the courts will be on the grounds of religious liberty.
25:00
The reason I say that is I want you to think about our founding documents, I want you to think about the founding of our country, and you read those documents, if you've ever read those documents, religion, belief in a creator, a higher power, is at the center of all of them. It's what this country was founded on, and we have over 200 years of jurisprudence supporting religious freedom. You know, for that reason, I personally believe we have a much better chance of success winning these battles standing on religious freedom.
And that's a little bit of a contradiction, I know, to what Dr. Fleming was just talking about, although he was discussing international courts. I'm not involved in that in any way. I'm talking about specifically in the United States of America and our justice system.
Religious liberty is going to carry the day, I believe. It's going to get us a lot further in this battle and it's why we haven't really pursued a lot of the scientific arguments, some of the arguments he was talking about, because we haven't seen a very positive response from judges in this country with regard to those arguments.
26:13
International courts, again, I can't speak on that, I'm not an international trial lawyer, so I don't have that expertise and I'm not going to even go there. I'll leave that to Dr. Fleming's team to explore that further.
But, you know, I firmly believe that religious liberty is going to win this for us. We've already had a victory. We had a victory just about 2 weeks ago at the Second Circuit on, you know, arguing for an injunction against the New York Healthcare workers mandates. So for instance, in that case it was just appalling what happened. The State of New York, the Department of Health and Governor Hochul actually— I just, I still can't believe it, I've told the story many times but I can't believe it's even true that a state government would do this. I guess I shouldn't be surprised these days, but they disallowed religious exemptions from the covid shot mandates for all healthcare workers in the state of New York. So it's not even an option. It's not like we're saying, oh, no, it's denied for X, Y, Z reason, it's an undue hardship, as some, you know, hospital systems have been saying. No! You're not even allowed to apply for one if you're a healthcare worker.
Somehow the free exercise clause of the First Amendment, equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, and several other clauses of the Constitution do not apply to you if you work, if you're a front line hero! Remember that? They were front line heroes last year? It's what we called them. Now they're zeros. They went from heros to zeros. So they're being fired by the thousands all across the United States. It's disgusting what's happening.
27:50
And then 2 days before we went into oral argument at the Second Circuit, we had Kathy Hochul herself get up at a Christian fellowship, in a Christian meeting in Brooklyn, and say to the crowd there, who was gathered there to watch her speak, that this vaccine, and she called it a vaccine, this vaccine is from God! And I need all of you to be my apostles.
I could not believe that what I was watching, it was so, it was like out of a dystopian nightmare movie or book or something, but it's, it is, because that's what we're living in, right? That's what we're living in. It's playing before our very eyes. She didn't, it wasn't some sort of a joke she was making, she was serious. That she's creating a sort of religion, a state-sponsored religion, surrounding these shots and these mandates.
And it was, you know, if she was going to do that, it was great that she did it 2 days before our hearing because, you know, I conferred with our attorneys and I said, we have to do this, we have to use this to our advantage. Clearly she's interfering with, it's the state interfering with religious beliefs, and trying to impose religion, a sort of religion onto its people and disallowing their own religious freedom, their own beliefs. There's only one religion now and it's the religion around vaccines and these particular covid shots and these mandates.
So I thought that was just appalling. We used it to our advantage in the oral argument. The judges agreed. This is the Second Circuit. Now a lot of people say the Second— you know, they talk about these blue states and they say there's liberal judges and we're not going to win anything, you know, in these areas. Well, we're proving that wrong because the evidence is so appalling. The hostility to religious liberty is so appalling, that it can't be denied regardless of any individual's religious affiliation, it clearly can't be denied when you're that blatant about it.
29:52
We are winning battles. Now we haven't won the whole lawsuit, OK, I want to be clear about that. They didn't agree that there was religious discrimination. That's not what the ruling was. The ruling was to put a temporary injunction in place to stop the state of New York from enforcing it temporarily until a full hearing can be had.
We have another hearing coming up this Thursday, October 14th at 9 am at the Second Circuit, which will be a full hearing to decide whether there's a preliminary injunction in place throughout the entire lawsuit while the underlying lawsuit plays out, which means the state will not be able to disallow healthcare workers from getting religious exemptions from applying for religious exemptions, which will be a huge victory. We think our chances are very good.
30:31
If we don't win at the Second Circuit we think our chances are even better at the Supreme Court of the United States.
I know there was a lot of talk with the Indiana University case a few months ago with Amy, Justice Amy Coney Barrett denying that emergency appeal. But that actually legally was the correct decision. That does not mean she doesn't support religious liberty. I think she actually does. I think she's going to rule in our favor in these cases, to be honest with you. But that wasn't the right case.
That wasn't the right case because every plaintiff in that case, it was the Indiana University students who were fighting the mandate, but they were, it was a general challenge to the mandate. It wasn't because they had been denied religious exemptions. Every single person, every single plaintiff in that case had already been granted an exemption, except one, who didn't ask for one.
31:15
So I would have had to deny it, too, if I were the judge. Or the justice. I actually would have. Because legally the law says you cannot take a case if the plaintiffs lack standing. If they have not personally been injured you are not, you don't have jurisdiction over that case, subject matter jurisdiction. That's the law.
31:34
So there was a lot of talk in the media that she sold out and she's not on our side. That's nonsense. It's absolute nonsense. She's 100%, in my opinion she's 100% on our side. And in my opinion she's going to rule on our side if the case gets before her. That's my opinion. So that just wasn't the right case.
So people have to look at the facts and look at the law before they go making claims like that and saying— throwing the baby out with the bath water. Alright? It's about getting the right case there, and that just wasn't the right case.
32:00
OK. We believe, we have a couple of cases that are the right case. This New York healthcare workers case, an excellent case. We also have a lawsuit against the state of Connecticut for repealing the religious exemptions to mandatory childhood immunizations for school attendance. They eliminated the religious exemption in Connecticut, as many of you know, in April of this year. We immediately, within days of that signing into law, that bill being signed into law, we immediately filed a lawsuit against the state, and that is before a federal judge as well. That case will be heard later this month. October 27th is the date.
So we have a lot of cases. We have a case against Creighton University right now, which is a supposedly Catholic university in Omaha, Nebraska. Two Catholic students had applied for exemptions, religious exemptions, because they objected to the use of aborted fetal cells in the research and the development, the testing of these shots. And they were both denied. They actually said, well, Creighton doesn't allow for religious wavers. It was just a blanket prohibition, we're not going to even allow it. Sort of like what New York did, right? So we have a lawsuit we just filed last week against them.
We have another lawsuit pending against University of Colorado for a similar thing, a medical school student who has been denied a religious exemption. We have, I can't give details about that one because that one hasn't officially been filed yet, but we have a lot of — I see I'm being given my two minute warning— We have a lot of lawsuits pending across the United States and again, I can't reveal everything about them.
We're also supporting the litigation efforts, the legal efforts of Jodi O'Malley who's the Project Veritas whistleblower that went undercover in that federal Indian hospital and recorded footage of doctors admitting the harm that these shots are doing and what they're seeing. She's now been placed on administrative leave and is being investigated by the Arizona Nursing Board, State Board of Nursing. We're supporting her, we're fully funding her preliminary legal efforts, and so news of that, you'll be hearing more news of that as well.
So we're doing a lot of exciting things all across the United States. Go to our website, we the patriots usa dot org, where you can find out more about our organization and our legal efforts and all the other stuff that we're doing.
34:27
And the biggest need right now is funding. You know, I didn't come here to do a funding pitch, I wanted to just talk about my organization and what we're doing in the courts, but that's the biggest need right now because obviously these lawsuits are extremely expensive. I mean, one lawsuit could be 50 to 100,000 dollars. And our goal is to have dozens of them filed in every circuit of this country. So you're talking about literally 7 figures worth of expenses just in litigation expenses, never mind managing the organization. So if you're able to we have a Commit to 10 campaign that we launched a couple months ago We're asking everyone to just donate at least 10 dollars a month and tell at least 10 people to do the same, because we know that's what it's going to take. It's going to take thousands and thousands of people all across the country coming together to support us in order to get this done.
Because look at who we're up against, folks. Bill Gate. George Soros. Big Tech. Big Pharma. State governments. Federal government. Collectively, they have unlimited resources, OK? So we need to have resources, too, if we're going to have a viable litigation machine to defeat these tyrants.
And with that, I want to thank you. It's been a pleasure. I'll stay on for any questions if there is time at the end.
35:37
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES
[1] Dr. Fleming's presentation, focusing on international law and crimes against humanity, is on this same video at time stamps 1:03 - 21:03.
[2] For biographical notes on the founders, see
https://wethepatriotsusa.org/about[3] For more about Jodi O'Malley as whistleblower see: "PART 1: Federal Govt HHS Whistleblower Goes Public With Secret Recordings 'Vaccine is Full of Sh*t'"
Project Veritas, September 20, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdI7tgKLtA>
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